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再答江波兄的驳文几句(代宝僧师发贴)

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发表于 2005-12-30 18:59 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT size=3><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">江波兄大鉴:</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="mso-fareast-font-family: PMingLiU"><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="mso-fareast-font-family: PMingLiU"><FONT size=3>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT size=3><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">因为网卡没钱了,所以最近不能上网</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: PMingLiU; mso-hansi-font-family: PMingLiU">。</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">日前朋友专门用电邮把你的回文转到我的校园信箱</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: PMingLiU; mso-hansi-font-family: PMingLiU">。当时想回的,只是连日的考试,一放就没再能提起来。今日算是有个小空,再抽出来看看。发现也没有什么好讨论的了。只就几句料简吧。</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU"><FONT size=3>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 22.5pt; TEXT-INDENT: -22.5pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 22.5pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU"><FONT size=3>一、</FONT><SPAN style="FONT: 7pt &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN><FONT size=3><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: PMingLiU; mso-hansi-font-family: PMingLiU">你的那些“可宋”挺好玩的,但这个所谓“三轮混淆”不是那样用的。详细你看我译文的那段解释就是了。如果真的用这个专词,你也要在那些“可宋”前面给我至少一个有效的应成真能破式吧。但如果,那只是活跃气氛,就算了。</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 22.5pt; TEXT-INDENT: -22.5pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 22.5pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;"><FONT size=3>二、</FONT><SPAN style="FONT: 7pt &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN><FONT size=3><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">如果你分清什么叫</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: PMingLiU; mso-hansi-font-family: PMingLiU">“</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">是”和什么叫</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: PMingLiU; mso-hansi-font-family: PMingLiU">“</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">周遍互是”,你的第一条就不会写出来了</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: PMingLiU; mso-hansi-font-family: PMingLiU">。</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">那三条好像是应成式的破式,原就是宗上共许的</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: PMingLiU; mso-hansi-font-family: PMingLiU">。而你再去看《广论》中破所破太狭那几个论式,就会知道我的理解倒底是不是论议了。</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="mso-fareast-font-family: PMingLiU"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 22.5pt; TEXT-INDENT: -22.5pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 22.5pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;"><FONT size=3>三、</FONT><SPAN style="FONT: 7pt &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN><FONT size=3><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">同义反复</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>(</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">亦称同语反复</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>)</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">的错误是指定义项中完整包含了被定义项</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: PMingLiU; mso-hansi-font-family: PMingLiU">。且不说我这里是描述,就算是作定义解释都未犯此过。</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="mso-fareast-font-family: PMingLiU"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 22.5pt; TEXT-INDENT: -22.5pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 22.5pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;"><FONT size=3>四、</FONT><SPAN style="FONT: 7pt &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN><FONT size=3><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">最后,恐怕也是最重要的一个,如果能把如</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: PMingLiU; mso-hansi-font-family: PMingLiU">《</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">缘起赞</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: PMingLiU; mso-hansi-font-family: PMingLiU">》</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">所说的</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: PMingLiU; mso-hansi-font-family: PMingLiU">“</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">缘起”和在讲解因果法时讲的那个</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: PMingLiU; mso-hansi-font-family: PMingLiU">“</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">缘生”分清楚的话,这场所谓的问答根本就无从兴起的</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: PMingLiU; mso-hansi-font-family: PMingLiU">。我们不妨再分别好好看看书。是该好好再看看书了,冬天正好要进补不是。</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="mso-fareast-font-family: PMingLiU"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="mso-fareast-font-family: PMingLiU"><FONT size=3>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT size=3><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">其余的嫌繁冗</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: PMingLiU; mso-hansi-font-family: PMingLiU">,不一一对应了。我看也到此为止吧。再下去,我们两个真的要在一众看官的面前糗大了。</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体"><FONT size=3>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT size=3><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: PMingLiU; mso-hansi-font-family: PMingLiU">祝新年好,有空聚聚.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW"><FONT size=3>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: PMingLiU; mso-hansi-font-family: PMingLiU"><FONT size=3>宝僧上</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="mso-fareast-font-family: PMingLiU; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
发表于 2005-12-30 21:04 | 显示全部楼层
很多因明的东西看不懂,不过如果宝僧师说的缘起和缘起赞说的缘起是一个意思,那么可能很多问题就不会发生了。
发表于 2005-12-30 21:41 | 显示全部楼层
<P><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f4f4f4">面对一堆几乎不怎么懂因明的人,把问题完全用因明的专业词汇描述一番。赫赫。有趣有趣。<IMG src="http://www.gelu.org/bbs/images/Emotions/66.gif"></FONT></P><P><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f4f4f4">看来法师不想玩了。也好,来个开放的结尾,让大家回味吧。<IMG src="http://www.gelu.org/bbs/images/Emotions/48.gif"></FONT></P>
发表于 2005-12-30 23:59 | 显示全部楼层
<BLOCKQUOTE><STRONG>引用</STRONG>:<HR>原文由 <B>舍弃现后</B> 发表于 <I>2005-12-30 21:41:22</I> :<BR><P><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f4f4f4">面对一堆几乎不怎么懂因明的人,把问题完全用因明的专业词汇描述一番。赫赫。有趣有趣。<IMG src="http://www.gelu.org/bbs/images/Emotions/66.gif"></FONT></P><P><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f4f4f4">看来法师不想玩了。也好,来个开放的结尾,让大家回味吧。<IMG src="http://www.gelu.org/bbs/images/Emotions/48.gif"></FONT></P><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>佛法玩得转吗?佛都说:“诸佛非以水洗罪,······”
发表于 2005-12-31 10:52 | 显示全部楼层
<P><FONT size=4>武侠小说中常见高手过招,旁边看的能领悟几招就已受用不少,可没见小说中会有人说,高手,你这招太快,太复杂,我看不懂。。。慢点行不?</FONT></P><P><FONT size=4>佛学论坛上最常见是:呸,搞这么多花招,害老子看不懂看不过瘾。。。。。</FONT></P>
发表于 2005-12-31 11:32 | 显示全部楼层
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">上面是玩的,各位老大别扁我,下面说点正经的:</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">可宋</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">,江译师说:“</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-bidi-font-family: MingLiU">详见</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">法师所译的“问答宝藏述记”</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">第一部分的第</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">6</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">、</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">25</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">条”。他们两位是拿这个开玩笑,我们就顺便学学“可宋”。《问答宝藏述记》相关内容如下:</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 60pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l1 level3 lfo2; tab-stops: list 60.0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">6,</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">所谓「<B>三轮混淆</B>」(</SPAN><B><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">(‘Khor-gSum</SPAN></B><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">)</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">,是指出对方在因、后陈法和诤依上有混淆的专用术语。</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P class=MsoBodyText style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 53.9pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo3; tab-stops: list 53.9pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN">25、<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN">所谓「<B>应承许三轮混淆</B>」,是说「你应承许</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN">(</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN">你</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN">)</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN">在因、后陈和周遍三者之上是有所混淆。」的意思。</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P class=MsoBodyText style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P class=MsoBodyText style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P class=MsoBodyText style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN">周遍互是,大概是<SPAN lang=EN-US>A遍是B,B遍是A的意思。例如“物”和“能作功用”周遍互是。<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN">“笨者之</SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">帚</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">”是版主,但与“版主”不能周遍互是,因为还有其他版主。</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></SPAN></SPAN>
发表于 2005-12-31 15:29 | 显示全部楼层
不就是等价吗?。。。
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