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出家人是否可以做生意?

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发表于 2012-1-31 09:59 | 显示全部楼层
噶瑪敦珠寧波 发表于 2012-1-30 05:17
專家就是專家!!
我的謬論來自Michael Roach的書
書中提及他的上師要他去找個伴侶;做钻石生意

不是專家,碰巧對此事有些了解也比較關注。聽說此人近幾年來經常到亞洲活動,收費“授課”,所以 我覺得有時間時要專門寫個貼子讓大家了解真相。也請把這些事實讓其他法友知曉,免得上當。
发表于 2012-1-31 12:25 | 显示全部楼层
好像去过香港吧,上善应该出来爆料一下
发表于 2012-1-31 13:52 | 显示全部楼层
寺院是个修行系统,分工不同,分工很细:装藏的传法的管戒律的画唐卡的烧饭的迎宾接待处,库房管理处,大殿殿主.....从因果角度,共业角度,虽然所做各异,但都是为三宝事业而辛勤工作,以对境力大故,俱能增上,功德无量

从清修的角度而言,有人修有人护,试想,我们在寺院里,地扫得那么干净,三块五块就吃现成饭,大殿里纤尘不染,供桌上花香果灯水井井有条,用水用电等等从何而来,背后都是非常多的在家众出家众辛勤劳动的结果...那些为寺院事无法修行的人是否是被牺牲了呢?

从共业角度,这世你护我下世我护你,双蠃增上,和谐发展
发表于 2012-1-31 14:30 | 显示全部楼层
成贤街有个”云来集“,店主貌似是尼师。
我也疑虑重重,但咱也不知道出家戒,所以并不敢乱讲。
发表于 2012-2-1 07:51 | 显示全部楼层
般若月 发表于 2012-1-30 01:39
律里应该明确记载了佛陀对于出家人能否经商的明确开示

一查即知

我们在家人不能看出家律藏。但从现象可以看出:作生意不必舍戒。

首先,作为学格鲁的,我们信任三大寺的五部大论是学好的。
再者,作董事、董事长,算作生意吧?生产东西卖了换钱,算作生意吧?
依这看的时候,汉地吧,早就自己种田,或者租地、租房子收租了。现在开素食馆的寺院也很多。近代寺产改革,有些寺院还办过工厂,领头的是佛教精英。
发表于 2012-2-1 20:19 | 显示全部楼层
景宗 发表于 2012-1-30 02:50
色拉麥堪仁波切從未指示 Michael Roach 可以擁有“伴侶”。 這是和苾芻戒根本相悖的。

Michael Roach ...

可惜了,
Michael 花了近20年系统学习了格鲁的教法,得到了格西的尊称,在世法上还是迷....,学习了这许多的不起作用啊...
人的贪嗔痴慢等毒怎么这么难除啊!
发表于 2012-2-1 22:46 | 显示全部楼层
再了不起的大德,也只是佛陀的弟子而已,以佛陀的教诲为根本不再犯戒了。
发表于 2012-2-2 10:48 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 luming 于 2012-2-2 10:49 编辑

“阿难想:‘这个世间真没有办法,佛陀涅槃未久,谬解佛法的人就这么多,未来教团中有邪知邪见的更不用说,我为佛陀诵出大法,而人们乃我见我执,并不依法奉行,我在世间上还有什么用呢?’阿难陀这么想时,自然就怀念起佛陀,更连想到舍利弗、目犍连、大迦叶等诸大弟子,他又继续思维道:‘啊!这些人如同飞鸟追随飓风一般进入涅槃,众多的圣者中,现在只剩下我一人,如同被砍光的森林一般,留着一颗大树也不能遮风挡雨,人间很寂寞,我也进入涅槃吧!’”
发表于 2012-2-2 15:09 | 显示全部楼层
luming 发表于 2012-2-2 10:48
“阿难想:‘这个世间真没有办法,佛陀涅槃未久,谬解佛法的人就这么多,未来教团中有邪知邪见的更不用说, ...

请问师兄这句话出自哪里?
发表于 2012-2-2 16:54 | 显示全部楼层
猜度不必,可以亲自去看这本书。
《当和尚遇上钻石》里说,上师让他去世间实践学了这么多年的佛学理论,但期间不允许别人知道他的身份,所以,在他的同事中,没人知道他是比丘,没人知道他是格西。并且,他白天上班,晚上也是必须修功课的。
这个,跟用比丘的身份开茶楼,是两回事吧。

另:我只是看过他的这一本书,对他其他的事情并不了解。
发表于 2012-2-2 18:06 | 显示全部楼层
落花化尘 发表于 2012-2-2 16:54
猜度不必,可以亲自去看这本书。
《当和尚遇上钻石》里说,上师让他去世间实践学了这么多年的佛学理论,但 ...

建議先看看景宗前輩的回覆
发表于 2012-2-2 23:35 | 显示全部楼层
现在,做生意的出家人多了,好像是僧团管理的吧,怎么没人管和没有举报制度呢?难道在戒律里是允许的?
发表于 2012-2-3 14:03 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 常回家看看 于 2012-2-3 14:13 编辑

维基 Michael_Roach
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Roach

景宗说的事情

Michael 的官网上是这样描述的

Inner life

Geshe Michael Roach has spent most of his adult life as a monk in Tibetan Buddhist monasteries, and has been meditating for over 30 years. He has passed more than six years in deep retreat, including a traditional “Great Retreat” of 3 years, 3 months, and 3 days in silence and meditation, from 2000 to 2003, in a hut in the Arizona desert. When asked about any inner achievements and realizations, he prefers the Tibetan approach of not talking about things which cannot be proven to others, saying only that he has been “very fortunate.” He does like to say that his personal practice has made him “the happiest person I know.”
Upon completion of the Great Retreat in 2003, Geshe Michael wrote a personal letter to all of his major teachers, and to His Holiness the Dalai Lama, describing special experiences that had occurred to him since the age of 16. In this letter he also described his intention of engaging in a period of spiritual partnership with Lama Christie McNally.
The tradition of a spiritual partner in Buddhism is 2,500 years old, and was followed even by Lord Buddha himself. It is allowed even for the ordained under special circumstances, including initiation from ones personal Master, which Geshe Michael had received a number of times. This type of partnership, utilizing the interaction of male and female energy, is stated in many scriptures throughout the history of Buddhism to be necessary for attaining enlightenment within a single life.
Such partnerships are often engaged in only within meditation, and those with an actual, physical partner have rarely been made public in the Tibetan tradition. Geshe Michael believed this approach to be unfair to the female partner, who was hidden away and never allowed to speak. And so for the next 12 years he taught publicly alongside Lama Christie, as an equal partner.
This received mixed reactions from the Tibetan Buddhist community: a senior official in the Office of the Dalai Lama who had never met Geshe Michael discounted his experiences entirely, while other eminent Lamas sent him letters of congratulation. The partnership though was successful, attracting on some nights over a thousand participants to attend spiritual partner talks from New York to Shanghai. The partnership was concluded in 2009, with Lama Christie launched independently as an internationally acclaimed author and public speaker. Her recent engagement to a mutual colleague has greatly mollified the ruffled feathers of more traditional Buddhists.
As for other practices meant to transform the inner body, Geshe Michael received empowerment into the “unsurpassed yoga” (anuttara) systems of the Tibetan tradition–including Bhairava, Vajra Yogini, Chakra Samvara, and Kalachakra–beginning in the early 1980´s, from some of the highest Lamas in the world at that time, including Khen Rinpoche Geshe Lobsang Tharchin (1921-2004), Kyabje Ling Rinpoche (1903-1983), and Kyabje Zong Rinpoche (1905-1984). In Tibetan monasteries, physical yoga (yoga asana) is considered highly secret, and only after completing his geshe degree did he receive empowerment into the Six Yogas of Naropa, the most famous of the Tibetan systems of yoga poses.


发表于 2012-2-3 21:45 | 显示全部楼层
景宗 发表于 2012-1-31 09:59
不是專家,碰巧對此事有些了解也比較關注。聽說此人近幾年來經常到亞洲活動,收費“授課”,所以 我覺得有 ...

一直心中有疑惑,见师兄的帖子才明确,感谢。这里太不显眼了,要不请师兄单独开个帖子谈谈此事?
发表于 2012-2-3 23:12 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 噶瑪敦珠寧波 于 2012-2-3 23:14 编辑
knightleo 发表于 2012-2-3 21:45
一直心中有疑惑,见师兄的帖子才明确,感谢。这里太不显眼了,要不请师兄单独开个帖子谈谈此事?


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