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不许“中有”·南传·化地部

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发表于 2005-6-22 21:46 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 17.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.71"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;"><FONT size=3>部派佛教里确实有几派不承认“中有”的。《异部宗轮论》:</FONT></SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 17.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.71"><SPAN lang=EN-US><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p><FONT size=3>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 19.2pt 0pt 17.95pt; TEXT-INDENT: 17.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.71; mso-para-margin-top: 0cm; mso-para-margin-right: 1.83gd; mso-para-margin-bottom: .0001pt; mso-para-margin-left: 1.71gd"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 楷体_GB2312"><FONT size=3>此中<U>大众部</U>、<U>一说部</U>、<U>说出世部</U>、<U>鸡胤部</U>,本宗同义者……都无中有……<SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 19.2pt 0pt 17.95pt; TEXT-INDENT: 17.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.71; mso-para-margin-top: 0cm; mso-para-margin-right: 1.83gd; mso-para-margin-bottom: .0001pt; mso-para-margin-left: 1.71gd"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 楷体_GB2312"><FONT size=3>其<U>化地部</U>本宗同义,谓……定无中有。<SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 17.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.71"><SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p><FONT size=3>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 17.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.71"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;"><FONT size=3>实际若加上各派的支流(异宗),不许“中有”的宗派就还要多些。</FONT></SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 17.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.71"><SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p><FONT size=3>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-JUSTIFY: distribute-all-lines; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 17.95pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify; mso-char-indent-count: 1.71"><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT size=3>*******</FONT></SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 17.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.71"><SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p><FONT size=3>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 17.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.71"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;"><FONT size=3>无华说到“南传上座部”不承认“中有”,我们从这里说开去……</FONT></SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 17.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.71"><SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p><FONT size=3>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 17.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.71"><FONT size=3><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">南传上座部虽自承“根本上座部”,实际上按他的宗义,应该是上座部的别支,也有把它算作“分别说部”一系的。据吕澄(《略论南方上座部佛学》)说,南传上座部在部派佛教一些特有的(</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>10</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">个)主张上,持这几个观点:</SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 19.2pt 0pt 17.95pt; TEXT-INDENT: 17.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.71; mso-para-margin-top: 0cm; mso-para-margin-right: 1.83gd; mso-para-margin-bottom: .0001pt; mso-para-margin-left: 1.71gd"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 楷体_GB2312"><FONT size=3>“<SPAN lang=EN-US>(1)</SPAN>过去未来法无体,<SPAN lang=EN-US>(2)</SPAN>并非一切都实有,<SPAN lang=EN-US>(3)</SPAN>四谛可以顿得现观,<SPAN lang=EN-US>(4)</SPAN>一定没有‘中有’,<SPAN lang=EN-US>(5)</SPAN>阿罗汉不退,<SPAN lang=EN-US>(6)</SPAN>没有真实的补特伽罗。”<SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;"><FONT size=3>和</FONT></SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 19.2pt 0pt 17.95pt; TEXT-INDENT: 17.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.71; mso-para-margin-top: 0cm; mso-para-margin-right: 1.83gd; mso-para-margin-bottom: .0001pt; mso-para-margin-left: 1.71gd"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 楷体_GB2312"><FONT size=3>“(<SPAN lang=EN-US>7</SPAN>、)佛不在僧数”<SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 17.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.71"><SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p><FONT size=3>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 17.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.71"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;"><FONT size=3>这和“化地部”的主张基本一致。为了明显起见,虽然稍嫌繁琐,我还是把《异部宗论论》“化地部”的“部执”全列出来:</FONT></SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 19.2pt 0pt 17.95pt; TEXT-INDENT: 17.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.71; mso-para-margin-top: 0cm; mso-para-margin-right: 1.83gd; mso-para-margin-bottom: .0001pt; mso-para-margin-left: 1.71gd"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 楷体_GB2312"><FONT size=3>其化地部本宗同义:谓过去未来是无,现在、无为是有;四圣谛一时现观,见苦谛时能见诸谛,要已见者能如是见;随眠非心,亦非心所,亦无所入;眠与缠异,随眠自性心不相应,缠自性心相应;异生不断欲贪、嗔、恚;无诸外道能得五通,亦无天中住梵行者;定无中有;无阿罗汉增长福业;五识有染,亦有离染;六识皆与寻伺相应;亦有齐首补特伽罗;有世间正见,无世间信根;无出世静虑;亦无无漏寻伺;若非有因,预流有退;诸阿罗汉定无退者;道支皆是念住所摄;无为法有九种——一、择灭,二、非择灭,三、虚空,四、不动,五、善法真如,六、不善法真如,七、无记法真如,八、道支真如,九、缘起真如——,入胎为初,命终为後,色根大种皆有转变,心心所法亦不转变;僧中有佛,故施僧者便获大果,非别施佛;佛与二乘皆同一道、同一解脱说;一切行皆刹那灭,定无少法能从前世转至後世;此等是彼本宗同义。<SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 19.2pt 0pt 17.95pt; TEXT-INDENT: 17.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.71; mso-para-margin-top: 0cm; mso-para-margin-right: 1.83gd; mso-para-margin-bottom: .0001pt; mso-para-margin-left: 1.71gd"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 楷体_GB2312"><FONT size=3>其末宗异义者,谓说实有过去未来;亦有中有;一切法处皆是所知,亦是所识;业实是思;无身语业寻伺相应;大地劫住;於窣堵波兴供养业所获果少;随眠自性恒居现在;诸蕴处界亦恒现在。<SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 19.2pt 0pt 17.95pt; TEXT-INDENT: 17.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.71; mso-para-margin-top: 0cm; mso-para-margin-right: 1.83gd; mso-para-margin-bottom: .0001pt; mso-para-margin-left: 1.71gd"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 楷体_GB2312"><FONT size=3>此部末宗,因释一颂执义有异,如彼颂言:“五法定能缚,诸苦从之生,谓无明贪爱,五见及诸业。”<SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 19.2pt 0pt 17.95pt; TEXT-INDENT: 17.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.71; mso-para-margin-top: 0cm; mso-para-margin-right: 1.83gd; mso-para-margin-bottom: .0001pt; mso-para-margin-left: 1.71gd"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-FAMILY: 楷体_GB2312"><o:p><FONT size=3>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 17.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.71"><FONT size=3><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">吕澄列出的七条,除</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 楷体_GB2312">“(<SPAN lang=EN-US>7</SPAN>、)佛不在僧数”</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">条外,余皆合若符契。另外,南传重视禅定,也可以说是认为“一切静虑皆出世”的表现,这是很有趣的。</SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 17.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.71"><SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p><FONT size=3>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 17.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.71"><FONT size=3><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">再接着说。部派中,从“化地部”分出的“法藏部”是持</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 楷体_GB2312">“(<SPAN lang=EN-US>7</SPAN>、)佛不在僧数”</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">的。《十八部论》(《异部宗轮论》这里不明显)说:</SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 17.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.71"><FONT size=3><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 19.2pt 0pt 17.95pt; TEXT-INDENT: 17.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.71; mso-para-margin-top: 0cm; mso-para-margin-right: 1.83gd; mso-para-margin-bottom: .0001pt; mso-para-margin-left: 1.71gd"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 楷体_GB2312"><FONT size=3>彼昙无德根本见者:佛非僧中可得</FONT></SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 19.2pt 0pt 17.95pt; TEXT-INDENT: 17.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.71; mso-para-margin-top: 0cm; mso-para-margin-right: 1.83gd; mso-para-margin-bottom: .0001pt; mso-para-margin-left: 1.71gd"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 楷体_GB2312"><FONT size=3><SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 17.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.71"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;"><FONT size=3>吕澄依此把“南传”看作是“法藏南系”,这是有点道理的。不过也可以把它看作“化地南系”,是从“化地部”分出来的,因为像“中有”、“声闻五藏”等还是和“法藏部”有差异,既然“法藏”也自“化地”分出,那么说“化地南系”好像更讨巧些。当然现在还有种说法,直接就说是“分别说部”!</FONT></SPAN></P>
 楼主| 发表于 2005-6-23 19:07 | 显示全部楼层
<BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE><STRONG>引用</STRONG>:<HR>原文由 <B>菩提心马甲</B> 发表于 <I>2005-6-22 23:04:44</I> :<BR>除上座部外,以上种种解释虽然五花八门,但归根结底都是一个:认为轮回转生有一既不同于灵魂又能从一生转移到另一生的东西,在生死流转中扮演着重要的角色。无论说它不是灵魂也好,还是说它是自性,补特伽罗,以及中阴生也好,其实骨子里都是一个,轮回转生具有主体 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><P>我几次重复提醒无花:要<FONT color=#ff00ff>理解以后再说话</FONT>!再提一遍!!</P><P>引文中“化地部”说:“<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 楷体_GB2312; mso-bidi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">说一切行皆刹那灭,定无少法能从前世转至後世。</SPAN>”哪里有你说的“归根到底”?建立“一味蕴”“根边蕴”“补特迦罗”“得”“不失法”的诸宗也不是没道理的,哪里是“骨子里”“有主体”?“一说部”的“一切法都无实体但有假名”、犊子部的“三种施设”,都是你不会了解的吧!你那肤浅的“搬运”工作,看起来简直就是胡闹!你现在需要的是学习,不是吵架!</P><P>还有,以后不许“大搬运”,看完帖子不许马上回答,不可以一个标题下连跟数帖,听明白了吗!</P>
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