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本帖最后由 cjysy 于 2022-12-12 18:31 编辑
1)引用一部经文
增支部4集131經/結經(庄译本)
比丘們!哪種人的五下分結已被捨斷,獲得往生的結已被捨斷,獲得有的結未被捨斷呢?【中般涅槃者】的。比丘們!這種人的五下分結已被捨斷,獲得往生的結已被捨斷,獲得有的結未被捨斷。
(菩提比丘译本) “What kind of person has abandoned the lower fetters and the fetters for obtaining rebirth but not the fetters for obtaining existence? 【The one who attains final nibbāna in the interval】. This person has abandoned the lower fetters and the fetters for obtaining rebirth but not the fetters for obtaining existence.
2)经文相应段落的注释:
对于,【中般涅槃者】,【The one who attains final nibbāna in the interval】
菩提比丘的注释指出:
This statement creates a predicament for the traditional Theravādin interpretation of the five types of non-returners, which is based on Pp 16–17 and its commentary at Pp-a 198–201.
The core of this interpretation is the rejection of an intermediate state (antarābhava) between two lives. Such rejection thus entails the need to interpret the antarāparinibbāyī as a non-returner who attains arahantship during the first half of the life span in the next existence. However, the word antarāparinibbāyī literally means “one who attains final nibbāna in between,” and there seems no legitimate reason, based on a sutta, to deny the possibility that certain non-returners, following their death in human form, enter an intermediate state and attain final nibbāna in that state itself, thereby circumventing the need to take another rebirth.
This seems to be the purport of the present text, according to which the antarāparinibbāyī has abandoned the fetters of rebirth but not the fetters of existence. Upon attaining arahantship, the antarāparinibbāyī will also abandon the fetters of existence. I have discussed the five types of non-returners in detail in CDB 1902–3,1 note 65. For further discussion, see p. 1782, notes 1535–38; for additional textual analysis, see Harvey 1995: 98–108.
捡重要的说,菩提比丘指出:
antarāparinibbāyī 的字面意思是“在两者之间获得最终涅槃的人(中般涅槃)”,似乎没有合理的理由根据经文来否认某些“不还者”,在人身死后,进入中间(中有、中阴)状态,并获得最终涅槃的可能性。 即,在那个(中阴)状态本身,从而避免了再次重生的必要。这似乎是当前经文的主旨。
以上是一例。
我记得还有其他相关巴利资料之中,还有这些类似的讨论。
我认为,先不必肯定南传论师对中阴的否定。
我们必须明白的一个事实是,佛陀在世时,没有形成统一的否定中阴的口径。否则,同为上座部的说一切有部,应该一起否定中阴的。
当然,这个问题的确是难点,可以持续研究和关注。。
(另外,这里讨论南传法义,也许不符合版规吧。随喜您好学精神!但就适可而止吧。至于其他渠道——我不添加微信,没有qq,所以,也见谅了。我想,上面的回复,也是巴利佛典重量级大德,菩提比丘的看法,应该已经说明一些问题了吧。)
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